on hindsight and the relationship with murdoch and the rest of it, you are bound to, as a party leader, wanting to have a relationship with journalists and you do that because if you have a mission to try to explain how you want to change and improve our country. that means talking to the head of the guardian, you get out there and do it. that is what i have done for the last five years. the problem we are correctly identifying is because leading politicians feel so passionately about wanting to get that message across, not just with the murdoch's, we don't actually saugh had spent enough time -- stop and spend enough time asking, is this organization behaving properly? is the media properly regulated? heart problems being uncovered by other organizations that need to be dealt with? that is the problem. it is not the nature of the interaction. is the failure to ask the fundamental questions about media practices and the rest of it. that is not just about relationships with news international. that applies to everybody. and the thing that is where we have a genuine opportunity, he sort